“The way I see it…Charlie would answer and Jack would listen.”
~ THIS WAY, CHARLIE by Caron Levis, with art by Charles Santoso
Guest post by Caron Levis
I have always been an eavesdropper and collector of things kids say and do. I’ve had a lot of opportunity to gather kid language through both my personal and professional life. I fill notebooks and index cards with verbatim quotes and observations; I re-tell my favorite anecdotes and kid moments over and over to adults or other kids; I’ve kept every anthology of student writing I’ve worked on. In the apartment I lived in during one of my first education jobs, I had the hallway plastered with quotes and writing from the students I was working with. I literally surrounded myself with their words and now, their words help me write books!

Notebook of kids’ words
I have always loved listening to kids and also the challenge of talking with them about their Big Questions and Big Feelings, so this—plus ye ole reading of plenty of wonderful kid’s books—has been where I’ve developed my writing ear and voice.
- LISTENING to kids has given me an internal sense of rhythm, vocabulary, phrase structures of many different children. As I draft, I’m reading aloud constantly to mostly imaginary (sometimes real-life) kids in order to feel how the words land.
- TALKING with real kids has given me practice in finding words that will meet their curiosity honestly while also being mindful of their feelings. These experiences help me imagine potential reader questions and reactions so I can try (it is so hard!) to be accountable to them.
- RECORDING things kids say and do has helped me remember ways kids have answered their own questions or made meaning out of challenging times. Most of my books have specific moments or quotes from children that guided the story in some way. Inspiration for STUCK THE BLOOZ came directly from a conversation with a kindergartener about being sad; IDA, ALWAYS got emotional direction from watching kids enact a funeral for a bug and a quote from a six year old who was grieving a close relative. THIS WAY, CHARLIE has many moments of kid inspiration that guided my writing choices.
THIS WAY, CHARLIE is about a horse named Charlie who is adjusting to going blind and a wary distrustful goat named Jack who meet at an animal sanctuary. After getting off to a bumpy start, the two navigate their own and each other’s challenges to become the best of buddies.
In one spread, Charlie urges Jack to hang out with some of the other animals but Jack is not ready. Overwhelmed by fear and frustration, Jack snaps something very mean to his beloved best friend.
This moment with Jack was guided by many moments I’ve seen with kids (and adults!). I wanted to reflect, validate, and honor that these moments happen and that kids have the ability to unpack them. I found a quote in my notebook from a kindergartener who had had a fight with his best buddy. Like Jack, the goat, this child didn’t usually verbalize his thoughts and feelings, but rather communicated primarily through behaviors. So, when we sat down to unpack the fight with him, I admit I fully expected to have to give him language for his behavior—but instead, he explained it clearly to us. I have already heard young readers explaining Jack’s behavior in a similar way.
“I think part of it was a misunderstanding…then I said things, just because I was so mad, that were mean. But, like, I didn’t really want to say them.”
~ a kindergartener, after a fight with a good frien (2004)
The animals in THIS WAY, CHARLIE come to depend on one another: Charlie depends on Jack for physical guidance to the field, and Jack relies on Charlie for emotional guidance as he begins to take chances on socializing. How do kids (or any of us) decide what makes someone dependable? Honestly, if you asked me in an interview to explain what being dependable means—I’d likely have some long garbled answer with a lot of ums in it. Luckily, my notebook has this gem in it from another kindergarten student who once told her class,
“Depending on someone means you really think they’ll help you.”
~ a kindergarten student
Now did I read these quotes in my book before I wrote THIS WAY, CHARLIE and consciously use them? Nope! But I had read through my blue-notebook a bazillion times and when I found these quotes after the book had gone to print, I recognized the influence. HOW I choose my words doesn’t come from my conscious Thinking brain so much as it comes from all I’ve absorbed from children over many years—and soooooo much nit-picking revision work.
Whenever I am stuck, or in need of inspiration, I turn to my collection of quotes for help—because I’ve learned I can always depend on the kids.
How have kids have inspired you?
Many thanks to Caron for guest blogging today…and for offering a copy of this lovely book.
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A THIS WAY, CHARLIE winner will be randomly selected in about two weeks.
Good luck!
Caron Levis (MFA; LMSW) is the author of the award winning children’s picture book, IDA, ALWAYS (Atheneum) illustrated by Charles Santosos, which the New York Times Book Review calls, “an example of children’s books at their best.” Caron’s other picture book titles include: THIS WAY, CHARLIE (Abrams 2020, STOP THAT YAWN! (Atheneum); MAY I HAVE A WORD? (FSG), and MAMA’S WORK SHOES (Abrams.) Her stories for teens and adults have been published in magazines and anthologies; plays have been selected for the Estrogenius Festival and the Samuel French OOB Festival’s Final Forty; the film adaptation of Attendant won Best Short in Sunscreen Film Festival West (2018) and selected for the Garden State Film Festival. Caron is a professor at NYU and The New School’s Creative Writing MFA program where she is the advisor for the Children/YA concentration. Visit her at caronlevis.com.
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August 6, 2020 at 8:07 am
Jane Heitman Healy
What an inspiring, affirming book! Thanks for featuring it, Tara, and thanks for giving us the behind-the-scenes inspiration, Caron!
August 6, 2020 at 9:09 am
Sheila Dinn
Thank you for the simple wisdoms!
August 6, 2020 at 8:12 am
Christy Mihaly
Brilliant! Caron, thanks for sharing the wisdom of kindergarteners with us. “This Way, Charlie” looks just gorgeous. I can’t wait to read the whole book.
August 6, 2020 at 8:13 am
Kaitlyn Leann Sanchez
This sounds amazing, thank you fir sharing where it all came from!
August 6, 2020 at 3:46 pm
Nancy Riley
What a wonderful book! Love the illustrations too. Congratulations!
August 6, 2020 at 8:14 am
Marsha
Very helpful book to help steer through spatial distancing… thank you!
August 6, 2020 at 8:17 am
Alexis
This book sounds adorable! I must read it.
August 6, 2020 at 8:19 am
pathaap
Your story sounds lovely! Thank you for sharing. Looking forward to reading it.
August 6, 2020 at 8:38 am
rosecappelli
Looking forward to this book! Thanks for sharing the inspiration behind it.
August 6, 2020 at 8:39 am
Amy Harding
So looking forward to another great Carin Levis book!
August 6, 2020 at 8:41 am
Deb Buschman (@DebBuschman)
This looks awesome and thanks for all the insight.
August 6, 2020 at 8:48 am
Lauri Fortino
Your book looks beautiful! Congratulations!
August 6, 2020 at 9:02 am
Wendy
I love that you kept track of what your student’s said. This book is a beautiful tribute to those emotions.
August 6, 2020 at 9:03 am
Cherie Downey
What an interesting and valuable path to inspiration in the writing process. I can’t wait to read this book. And to read it to my grandchildren over FaceTime.
August 6, 2020 at 9:07 am
peony1601
I love this interesting approach to “finding” a story. Can’t wait to read This Way Charlie.
August 6, 2020 at 9:07 am
erinbuhr
Thank you so much for sharing. It is so inspiring how you used your experiences with kids to inform you’re writing. Your book looks beautiful. I can’t wait to read it.
August 6, 2020 at 9:19 am
Joanne Roberts
Kids have a lot of wisdom in their simplicity and we would do well to stop and listen more carefully. Thanks for the tips on how to put this into practice. Your book looks lovely. Congratulations!
August 6, 2020 at 9:30 am
kiwijenny
I must do this more…collect kids sayings. I teach 4 year olds and have some doozies.
August 6, 2020 at 9:33 am
carmelamccainsimmons
Oh, how I wish now that I had recorded the words of wisdom and gems of emotion my young students would say. I remember thinking, at times, these words are magic! I will be jotting down the ones that stick out in my memory today. Your books are treasures. Thank you for writing them.
August 6, 2020 at 9:34 am
katiemillsgiorgio
Oh this is wonderful…thanks for sharing!
August 6, 2020 at 9:52 am
Genevieve Petrillo
Sounds like an amazing story. People (and horses and goats) need to learn to lean on each other for a million different reasons – the best of which is it just makes life easier and more fun.
August 6, 2020 at 9:54 am
Sheri Radovich
I love Ida Always and read it often. What a brilliant idea to keep a notebook of kids comments and to reread them for your book language. Can’t wait for this book to be available.
August 6, 2020 at 10:02 am
Carole Calladine
What a wonderful story for everyone. Thanks for writing and sharing it.
August 6, 2020 at 10:35 am
Angela De Groot
Brilliant. Thanks for sharing. Can’t wait to get my hands on a copy.
August 6, 2020 at 10:47 am
Kate Narita
Thank you for the interview. Looking forward to using this book in my classroom.
August 6, 2020 at 11:09 am
gail buschman
this looks like such a beautiful, funny, and heartwarming book!
August 6, 2020 at 11:21 am
Sarah Tobias
I love the story behind the story. We have two dogs, one gregarious and playful, the other pretty shy and nervous. They are best friends and truly support each other.
I also worked in an elementary school and got to spend recess with the kids. Those are the moments you see who they really are. You see the frustration, the joy, sadness, pain, empathy, and confusion of how to handle situations. You also see them grow and change and strengthen their relationship skills. Priceless moments.
I look forward to reading this book. I suspect it may be a good mentor or comp book for one of my projects.
August 6, 2020 at 11:22 am
Carol Gwin Nelson
This sounds absolutely lovely! What a help to kids when words escape their mouths that they regret. Thanks for sharing your process!
August 6, 2020 at 11:23 am
danielledufayet
Beautiful and heart-felt book! Congrats!
August 6, 2020 at 11:43 am
donnacangelosi
Thank you for sharing your process for writing this beautiful book! Looking forward to reading it!
August 6, 2020 at 12:12 pm
Elizabeth S Harris
What a beautiful message. Love Caron’s process for writing for children and how she really ‘listens’ to them and carves out such beautiful stories.
August 6, 2020 at 12:41 pm
Sylvia Mary Grech
Thank you for sharing. Love the concept for the book. Congrats to you.
August 6, 2020 at 12:53 pm
Lori Alexander
So beautiful! You do such a wonderful job of bringing heart to your PBs!
August 6, 2020 at 12:56 pm
Lucky Jo Boscarino
This way, Adults (who might need just as much guidance as kids to express their feelings).
August 6, 2020 at 1:06 pm
Sherry Smith
Good luck with your new book about animal friendship and the others about to be released.
August 6, 2020 at 1:42 pm
phyllisharris50
I love this author and illustrator so much! IDA, ALWAYS is one of my favorites in my library and I am sure I will love this one, too!
August 6, 2020 at 1:56 pm
Hank Dallago
Thank you. I appreciate you saying that you use all of the words and sayings from children that you have absorbed through the years to include in your stories. That’s why they are full of heart!
August 6, 2020 at 2:25 pm
Mary Warth
Thank you! Great tips for soaking up authentic dialogue.
August 6, 2020 at 2:27 pm
Karan Greene
What a wonderful book! And what an amazing way to prepare to write for kids! Thank you for sharing! Loved this!
August 6, 2020 at 2:34 pm
Heather Stigall
Thanks for sharing, Caron!
August 6, 2020 at 2:48 pm
Sarah Meade
This book looks delightful. Congratulations, Carin! Thanks so much for sharing your kid quotes.
August 6, 2020 at 3:37 pm
Laurel Ranveig Abell
I LOVE this book!!!
August 6, 2020 at 3:37 pm
M.A. Cortez
It sounds like a wonderful story. Thanks for sharing a few quotes from your notebook.
August 6, 2020 at 3:57 pm
Nicole Salter Braun
I definitely need to check this one out since IDA ALWAYS is one of my favorite PB’s. I cry everytime
August 6, 2020 at 4:09 pm
Jilanne Hoffmann
The body language of these two is so expressive. Love it!
August 6, 2020 at 4:16 pm
Patricia Kreiser
I absolutely adore the premise for this book. As a Sunday school teacher, Girl Scout leader, and mom, I have witnessed little ones act out their frustrations and lash out at the ones they love the most- and then the forgiveness that follows. Beautiful! Best wishes for a very successful book!
August 6, 2020 at 4:20 pm
Gayle Veitenheimer
I love, love, love your premise. Can’t wait to read it!
August 6, 2020 at 5:05 pm
lmconnors
Congratulations! This book looks wonderful.
August 6, 2020 at 6:21 pm
Cathy Stenquist
What an absolutely beautiful premise. I can hardly wait to get this book is so tender and sweet. Thank you for the inspiring information about you stopping on kids I’ve actually gotten some good ones from listening to my granddaughters.
August 6, 2020 at 6:54 pm
Susan Johnston Taylor
Loved Ida, Always, so I can’t wait to read this book, too.
August 6, 2020 at 7:14 pm
Beth Charles
I love the idea of this book! And I love the idea of keeping a journal of things kids say. Thanks for the inspiration!
August 6, 2020 at 10:34 pm
Rebecca Gardyn Levington
Love this! Thank you so much for your inspiring story! Looks like a gorgeous book! Congrats!
August 6, 2020 at 10:51 pm
Kyle McBride
Can’t wait to read it.
August 6, 2020 at 10:57 pm
Maria Marshall
Great post Tara & Carol. I already love the book and this made it even more special! Thank you.
August 6, 2020 at 10:59 pm
Maria Marshall
Caron – sorry my phone is helping today!
August 7, 2020 at 1:55 am
paulinetso
Wow, this looks like a beautiful, inspiring book!
August 7, 2020 at 6:32 am
LINDA MITCHELL
What a beautiful concept and story! The illustrations make it especially attractive. Thank you for writing this book.
August 7, 2020 at 9:37 am
Rebecca Van Slyke
As a second grade teacher, I have a T-H-I-C-K file of “kid quotes” that I am now going to go through looking for inspiration!
August 7, 2020 at 12:03 pm
Kassy Keppol
Thank you for sharing
August 7, 2020 at 4:16 pm
Angela Kunkel
Thank you for this post! Ida, Always is my absolute favorite. As my own children grow I find myself missing these types of kid quotes (they happen less frequently these days). Keeping a notebook is a great idea.
August 7, 2020 at 7:10 pm
Nancy Furstinger
I can’t wait to read this book, especially after volunteering @ an animal sanctuary–I’m sure it’s as fab as the amazing Ida, Always!
August 7, 2020 at 7:43 pm
RaeMcDonald
Your new story is one I’ve already fallen in love with. I have a list of readers to share it with. Thank you, Caron and Charles.
August 7, 2020 at 8:25 pm
saputnam
Great post, Caron!! I love that you keep track of what your students say! Thank you for sharing some of their wisdom with us. I can’t wait to read THIS WAY CHARLIE!!
August 7, 2020 at 10:06 pm
meridthgimbel
Caron and Charles are one of my favorite kidlit duos! Can’t wait for this book! Thanks for featuring it, Tara!
August 7, 2020 at 10:08 pm
Meridth McKean Gimbel
Caron snd Charles are one of my favorite kidlit duos! Thanks for featuring this book Tara!
August 8, 2020 at 6:57 am
Ruthie Kirk
I loved starting my day with your heartfelt post, and can’t wait to get a copy of the book for my grandchildren. Hearing their words has been a special part of having them (and their parents) live with us during the pandemic.
August 8, 2020 at 11:11 am
Stephanie Lau
Oh my gosh. I’ve got my tissues ready.
August 8, 2020 at 2:24 pm
Bonnie Auslander
I remember loving this story when I first saw it on PBS–can’t wait!
August 8, 2020 at 10:33 pm
seschipper
Love the storyline..it truly “touches home”! Our pup (actually a 10 year old Chesapeake Bay Retriever) has a cataract in one eye is almost blind due to this. We quite frequently say to him “this way Hank”!!! He is such a sweetheart! I know I will be teary while reading “This Way Charlie”! 🙂
August 8, 2020 at 10:48 pm
Chelle Martin
It’s great that you kept a notebook to look back on and have gotten stories from it. What a wonderful idea to include rescue animals in a PB. I get the HSUS newsletter and there are many stories of animal friendships that begin when unlikely species find themselves in unusual circumstances.
August 8, 2020 at 11:54 pm
Linda
I love that this story was inspired by a real story.
August 9, 2020 at 11:22 am
Linda KulpTrout
Thank you for sharing the way quotes from kids help guide your writing. As a former teacher, I do the same. I wish I had written more of their conversations down, my memory isn’t always reliable. I love IDA, ALWAYS and I’m sure I’ll love your new book as well.
August 9, 2020 at 4:18 pm
Nancy Ferguson
Thank you, Caron…I’m wondering if I wasted 31 years by not writing down my 4th graders’ thoughts! I’m hoping they are in my head and soul, still. Congratulations on THIS WAY CHARLIE I sounds as if it will be a favorite.
August 9, 2020 at 5:10 pm
SuZan Klassen
Love the sound of this book and how you’ve “learned” from all those kid talks.
August 9, 2020 at 6:44 pm
chardixon47
Beautiful! Thank you, Caron, for sharing the heart found in everyday life. Congratulations.
August 9, 2020 at 7:33 pm
Shelly
This book sounds amazing- and the artwork is gorgeous!
August 9, 2020 at 8:22 pm
Cheryl Johnson
I just put this book on hold and cannot wait to read it!
August 9, 2020 at 10:15 pm
Bea Brown
Awesome! Collecting quotes from kids is an excellent way to generate ideas.
I look forward to reading this way, Charlie.
August 10, 2020 at 11:18 am
Wendy Wahman
Oh, what a wonderful book! I’m looking forward to sitting down with this one.
August 10, 2020 at 2:26 pm
LenoraBiemans (@BiemansLenora)
I love that your books contain so much kid wisdom. Thank you for sharing your process and congratulations.
August 11, 2020 at 11:33 am
Jodie Chapdelaine
Jon talked about this book and I am so excited to read it. Thank you for a chance.😍📚🤗🥰
August 11, 2020 at 5:38 pm
Carol Gordon Ekster
I taught for 35 years and have their voices in my head. But more recently, it’s my 5 year old grandson who inspires me…how he talks, what he does. What he said on a Facetime phone call is responsible for my next book coming out in 2022, SOME DADDIES. Good luck to you and continue to write your touching and beautifully written books.
August 13, 2020 at 9:07 am
Norris Theresa
Sounds like a great story and illustrations.
August 14, 2020 at 12:08 am
LaurenKerstein
What a wonderful post, and a fabulous reminder to pay close attention to the ways children see and talk about the world. Ida, Always is by far one of my favorite books of all time (if only I could read it without crying). I can’t wait to read This Way, Charlie. Your books have such incredibly resonant moments. Thank you.
August 20, 2020 at 3:26 pm
Stephen S. Martin
As they say – Out of the mouth of Babes . . .
August 28, 2020 at 3:47 pm
Lou Aamodt
I can’t wait to read this!
August 30, 2020 at 9:05 pm
kathydoherty1
Everyone has acted like Jack once or twice in their life.
October 2, 2020 at 7:48 pm
proCARONation (@caronlevis)
I just answered every single one of these kind and fabulous comments–in my head!—so I hope this massively overdue THANK YOU note to all will suffice. In the best of times keeping up is a challenge and these are, well, not the best of times, right? Which makes reading your comments all the more a gift to this writer right now. Thank you again to Tara The Talented & Generous for inviting me here. I look forward to reading, seeing, on-lining, with you all. Keep walking and reading and listening to the kiddos…
Caron
January 14, 2021 at 6:29 pm
Pamela Harrison
This is such a great idea for getting ideas and writing in the manner of a child expressing his or her understanding of the situation. I immediately thought of two ideas from my kindergarten and 3rd grade students I taught years ago. Thank you for sharing! This Way Charlie sounds like a beautiful book!
January 25, 2021 at 5:51 pm
Virginia Rinkel
I am so impressed with this book. Thank you for sharing this wonderful caring heartfelt book!
January 26, 2021 at 10:57 am
Erin
I tend to have a dialogue of children’s voices running in the background when I’m writing so your post speaks to me! Thanks for the wonderful reminder to listen. Erin
PS. Ida, Always is a beautiful book and a favorite of mine.
February 6, 2021 at 4:01 pm
Bonnie Kelso
Beautiful topic, Caron. I love how you find ways to incorporate real voices into your stories. I look forward to reading “This Way, Charlie.”
January 8, 2022 at 6:08 pm
Savannah Rogers
I absolutely love the idea of a notebook filled with kid sayings. And they do often communicate hard things so simply and clearly. Thank you. Your book sounds delightful.