I’ve bumped into Susan Hawk a few times lately, which is easy for me, since I walk with a cane and my balance stinks! *rimshot*
Knowing I have blog followers who are eager to snag a picture book agent, I sat down with Susan (after we bumped—yes—right there on the floor) and asked her some questions about picture books, agenting, and the surreal softness of the carpet. Was it Turkish cotton? Or do they only use that for robes and towels? (Um, scratch those last couple questions.)
Susan, what led to your decision to become a kidlit agent? Can you tell us about your professional background?
I’m lucky to have worn a number of hats within the children’s book world. I’ve been a bookseller; I have a degree in Library Science and have worked in an elementary school library as well as the Brooklyn Public Library; I acquired a few book projects for Dutton Children’s Books. But most of my background is in Children’s Book Marketing, gathered at Penguin, Henry Holt and North-South Books. All of that led to my decision to make the jump to agenting three years ago, which feels like the perfect way to put these experiences to work. But, really, I think it all began with this: I’m a reader. I love reading books, I love meeting new characters and going new places in the pages of a book, and that’s always been true for me.
What are some of your all-time favorite picture books?
Ah, a great question. It’s hard to stop!
- ME, JANE by Patrick McDonnell
- SPOON by Amy Krouse Rosenthal and Scott Magoon
- I’M NOT by Pam Smallcomb and Robert Weinstock
- THE HELLO, GOODBYE WINDOW by Norton Juster and Chris Raschka
- SO YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT by Judith St George and David Small
- OFFICER BUCKLE AND GLORIA by Peggy Rathmann
- “MORE, MORE, MORE,” SAID THE BABY by Vera B Williams
BLUEBERRIES FOR SAL by Robert McCloskey
- GEORGE AND MARTHA, or anything by James Marshall
- SYLVESTER AND THE MAGIC PEBBLE by William Steig
- MISS RUMPHIUS by Barbara Cooney
- LILLY’S PURPLE PLASTIC PURSE by Kevin Henkes
- BREAD AND JAME FOR FRANCES by Russell Hoban
- FREDERICK by Leo Lionni
What about those books make them special?
Three things: character, humor, and each of these is a very satisfying book.
In most of them, the main character is someone I love. Like, obsessively love. ME, JANE—I already think Jane Goodall is amazing, but in the pages of this book, we’re introduced to a real little girl who’s so true to her own interests, that you can’t help but be entirely charmed. Spoon features the most adorable spoon you’d ever want to meet, not to mention his smart, reassuring parents. And it goes on—every one of these books holds a real, textured person, brought to life in just a few words and pages.
Almost all of them are funny. Some of them are more broadly so, in some of them the humor lies more in a clever twist, but with all of them, I find myself smiling. A lot.
You know the feeling when you close a book and think, I can’t wait to read that again? That happens when the author and artist, together, create a perfect symphony of voice, character and plot. When everything works in concert, you finish the story feeling somehow more whole, and will want to come back to that story again. Obviously, which books do this will be different for different people, but for me, these books all give me that sense.
What do you look for in a picture book submission?
Pretty much what I described above!
Also, shorter text (about 500-600 words), and I’m not usually a fan of rhyming text.
What makes you stop reading a submission?
Predictably, longer texts, rhyming texts—I usually stop reading those. There are also quite a few “evergreen” stories, themes or subjects out there—making a new friend is one. (Here’s a list of a few others.) These can be tricky because in the right hands, they can feel fresh and new, so I’d never say that I’d automatically stop reading a story like this. Still, these texts will be competing with quite a few others out there, so I’m cautious with these.
Is there anything you see too much of in your submission pile?
I see quite a few projects that want to teach kids a lesson. I’m not particularly interested in this, though there are quite a few picture books that want kids to understand some values—fairness, for instance—and do this quite skillfully. I guess that, in terms of message books, I want to see this emerge from the character’s journey, rather than leading the story.
What is the word from picture book editors these days? What are they seeking in picture books?
The main thing editors ask me for is strong, original characters with a compelling, meaty story. If that character has the potential to build a series, all the better. Length should be shorter (see word count above). Most editors will find something funny very appealing and are often looking for something quirky. This is harder to quantify—one gal’s quirky is another gal’s odd—but in general, I think this is about looking for something that feels new and different.
What factors go into your decision to offer a picture book author representation? (Do you offer representation based on only one picture book, or do you prefer that the author have a few ready to submit?)
Two things—I need to love the work, and I need to feel that I can sell it. Easy to explain, hard to find! Mainly that’s because it’s ultimately personal and what I may love is so different than what someone else may love. It’s best if the writer has a few books in the bag, so to speak, but not 100% necessary.
Do your rep author-illustrators? Is it best for them to query with a full dummy, or just a story and a portfolio?
I do! In fact, I’m very eager to take more author-illustrators on. I love seeing a full dummy, but querying either way is fine. My submissions information is here: http://www.thebentagency.com/submission.php.
Could you describe your ideal client?
Someone who loves their work. Writing and illustrating is amazing work, and I feel super lucky to work with children’s book creators, but it requires dedication, patience, flexibility, and some grit. You’re probably going to hear no a few times before you hear yes. Being able to balance all that against a deep love for your work, and a real pleasure in doing it, is key.
Are you open to submissions? How can writers reach you?
Very much so. Please visit The Bent Agency website to learn more about being in touch.
Thank you, Susan! I hope to bump into you again soon! Without dumping us both onto the floor. Although, it sparked a lovely, informative conversation, didn’t it?
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April 19, 2013 at 7:38 am
rnewman504
Great interview!
April 19, 2013 at 7:44 am
Tina Cho
I’m glad you bumped into each other! This was a great interview w/Susan on all things picture book related!
April 19, 2013 at 7:47 am
Andrea
Thanks for this wonderful interview! Lots of good information here about writing and submitting picture books.
April 19, 2013 at 7:50 am
Sue Heavenrich
great interview – thank you, Susan, for being so candid about your life as agent. And thanks to Tara for bumping into her!
April 19, 2013 at 7:54 am
Antje Martens-Oberwelland
Thank you so much for this great interview, Tara and Susan! I’m glad the carpet was so soft as well.
April 19, 2013 at 8:55 am
Michelle Heidenrich Barnes
Thanks for posting this interview, Tara– it’s always great to hear from a picture book agent! I love that you included her personal favorites as well as practical advice.
April 19, 2013 at 9:43 am
Roelant Dewerse
Thanks Tara and Susan; lots of good reminders and guidance in this! I particularly appreciated the “turn-off” list.
April 19, 2013 at 9:48 am
Diandra Mae
Fantastic interview! Susan is on my list of “to-submit.” Nice to know her specific views still align with mine. heehee! 🙂
April 19, 2013 at 9:51 am
ruthspiro
“one gal’s quirky is another gal’s odd” Love it! Enjoyed this interview and appreciate Ms. Hawk’s insights!
April 19, 2013 at 10:45 am
Romelle Broas
Thank you for this interview Tara and Susan! Very informative and exactly what I was looking for- questions about picture books.
April 19, 2013 at 10:52 am
Cathy Ballou Mealey
“…in general, I think this is about looking for something that feels new and different.”
An exciting and informative interview. Thanks Tara and Susan!
April 19, 2013 at 11:55 am
Marcie Colleen
I truly believe that Tara Lazar only bumps into fabulous people…and this interview proves that. Thanks, ladies!
April 19, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Tara Lazar
You may be right. I’ve bumped into Marcie Colleen quite a few times.
April 19, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Darshana
That was a fantastic interview. Thanks Tara and Susan.
April 19, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Virginia Walton Pilegard
Great meaty interview. I’m sure I’ll hear the question, “know the feeling when you close a book and think, I can’t wait to read that again?” every time I sit down to write.
April 19, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Anne Bromley
Thank you, Susan and Tara, for this most informative interview. I know what questions to ask my own manuscript.
April 19, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Catherine Johnson
Thanks for a great interview, Tara and Susan!
April 19, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Christie Wright Wild
What a great interview! What I’d like to know is if Susan repped any of the books on her list of all-time favorite picture books. (Can you ask, please…?)
Sure wish I had a bag of funny in my arsenal.
April 19, 2013 at 2:36 pm
C. C. Gevry
Loved this interview. I haven’t met Susan, yet, but I’ve met with Jenny Bent at the WriteAngles Conference in MA. She’s so open to talking and eager to share her expertise. Thanks for sharing so much of what you’re interested in and enjoy, Susan.
April 19, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Evelyn Christensen
Great interview, Susan (and Tara). Thanks for sharing. I had to smile at the “You’re probably going to hear no a few times before you hear yes.” Definitely the understatement of the day for some of us. 🙂
April 19, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Diane Kress Hower
Thanks Tara and Susan. It is always to nice to see some of my favorite books on someone else’s list. I enjoyed the interview.
April 19, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Boo Stad
Revealing insight into the ‘mysterious’ world after all the hard work, tears and chocolate has ended.
I can’t agree about the ‘rhyming text’ though; the ‘Very Cranky Bear’ won’t let me…!
April 20, 2013 at 10:36 am
julialoha
Why do you object to rhyming texts?
April 20, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Sheri Rad
Thanks Tara,
This was a very helpful interview. I feel that it is possible to get an agent interested in a story with this information.
Sheri
April 21, 2013 at 3:50 am
lunamaria413
Wonderful! Thank you so, so much for sharing this-it helped me a lot! 😀
April 21, 2013 at 4:33 am
pennymorrison
Thanks Tara and Susan. Now I have a new list of books to look for.
April 21, 2013 at 11:29 am
thiskidreviewsbooks
This was a great interview! I really learned a lot!
April 21, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Rita D. Russell
What a fantastic interview, chock-full of incredibly helpful information! Susan sounds like a dream agent — really smart and honest and friendly. Thanks for putting her in the spotlight, Tara. 🙂
April 22, 2013 at 10:38 am
Susan Hawk
Hi everyone!
Thanks so much for all the kind words, and a super big hug to Tara for welcoming me to her blog!
A couple questions I wanted to answer:
— I haven’t repped any of the books I listed here. I just love ’em!
— Some folks asked about rhyming texts, and why I don’t typically look for those. There’s nothing more fun than a solid rhyming text — kids really respond to the rhythm, and it can inspire a love of words and language. At the same time, writing a rhyming book can limit you, because obviously you can only use words that carry your rhyme. Sometimes, rhyming texts can feel like they’ve been pretzeled up (yep, turns out there is a verb form of the word pretzel!) to keep the rhyme intact, at the cost of the story. I often ask writers if they must use rhyme. If not, you might find it freeing not to.
Thanks again everyone!
April 23, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Donna L Martin
Thanks, Tara and Ms. Hawk for this wonderful interview! It made me feel okay about the story I chose for my April submission…
Donna L Martin
http://www.donnalmartin.com
April 26, 2013 at 8:27 am
heylookawriterfellow
Many thanks for this, Tara and Susan! This interview was so very valuable.
I have been aching for an agent ever since my PB came out last year. So onward (with fingers crossed)!
May 14, 2013 at 6:49 pm
viviankirkfield
Sorry I am so late on commenting! Thanks to you, Tara, for snagging an interview with Ms. Hawk! And to Ms. Hawk…we appreciate the insight into what you look for in a submission. I’m especially happy you spoke to the rhyming book issue. I love to write in rhyme…but it is so difficult to do it correctly, without sacrificing the story.
August 2, 2013 at 2:57 pm
timothycourtier
Greetings Susan! I appreciate your time for this interview. Tara thanks for conducting this interview and including the summation in your blog. I just finished the section on blogging in the 2013 Children’s Writer’s and Illustrator’s Market. What an excellent example of online professionalism. I’m challenged with writing about a serious topic for younger children and keeping my word count down. Where there is a will, there is a way.
Cheers!
Tim