I first met author Michael Sussman when I reviewed his debut picture book OTTO GROWS DOWN, illustrated by Scott Magoon. I LOVED IT! In fact, OTTO remains one of my favorite picture books of all time, and I often refer to it when teaching humor and picture book workshops.
Michael wrote me a lovely thank-you email and we became fast friends and critique partners. He went on to write novels, but now he’s back to picture books and his latest, DUCKWORTH THE DIFFICULT CHILD, is creating a kidlit buzz for its retro vibe and dark humor.
Michael, I’m so thrilled to have you back in picture books! It’s been a while since OTTO GROWS DOWN!
OTTO is the boy who wants his little sister to disappear, and she does. In DUCKWORTH, he himself “disappears,” but he didn’t want to!
For fun, can you compare and contrast OTTO and DUCKWORTH as characters?
What a wonderful question!
First off, I want to thank you, Tara, for all your help in promoting OTTO GROWS DOWN, and for being such a wonderful critique partner for so many years.
To my mind, what links Otto and Duckworth is that they both face dire circumstances which they must overcome without any help whatsoever from their parents. Unbeknownst to his mom and dad, Otto is trapped in backward time and will disappear altogether if he doesn’t figure out how to return to the present. Duckworth’s parents are oblivious to the fact that he has been swallowed by an enormous cobra, and he is left to his own devices to escape from inside the snake.
In contrast to Duckworth, Otto has a loving family, but must come to terms with an interloper: a new baby sister. In order to overcome his understandable resentment and animosity toward Anna, he must grow up and become aware of his burgeoning love for his sibling.
Duckworth is an only child and is faced with a far more difficult predicament: narcissistic parents who are utterly oblivious to his needs and concerns. Although Duckworth is as successful as Otto at conquering his life-and-death dilemma, the ending of his story remains bittersweet, as he is still stuck with woefully inadequate parents.
Poor Duckworth, stuck with oblivious parents who seem like the despicable adult characters in a Roald Dahl story. DUCKWORTH, as a whole, has a very nostalgic energy, like a picture book from days long ago. Did you get any inspiration from “dark humor” authors of the past?
DUCKWORTH is my homage to the classic picture book, THE SHRINKING OF TREEHORN, by Florence Parry Heide and Edward Gorey, soon to be a motion picture directed by Ron Howard. I love the dark humor of Gorey, Dahl, and William Steig’s SPINKY SULKS.
What is it about those dark humor books that you admire? Why did you want to pay homage to them?
I guess I just like dark humor in general, and have featured it in both my picture books and novels. Dark humor presents unpleasant and taboo aspects of life in a satirical manner, taking the edge off and relishing in the absurdity of the human condition. In stories, it allows authors to address potentially painful topics—such as sibling rivalry in OTTO and poor parenting in DUCKWORTH—in a manner that’s less threatening and more enjoyable than a straightforward or didactic approach.
I was also eager to riff on THE TREEHORN TRILOGY because I felt it was under-appreciated and falling into obscurity. Now, thanks to me and Ron Howard, it’ll be rediscovered! 😉
Let’s talk about the illustrations by Júlia Sardà. They are dark and mysterious, with a retro European surrealist vibe. (Maybe I think that because the mother looks like Salvador Dali?) The gorgeous cinnabar of the cobra jumps out and bites you.
The art takes full advantage of perspective—I love the illustration of Duckworth in the serpent’s stomach, surrounded by floating items the cobra has swallowed.
Is the art what you had imagined?
Júlia Sardà’s illustrations are spectacular, and way beyond anything I could have imagined or hoped for. Her style, sense of composition, and attention to detail are extraordinary, and perfectly complement the story. The illustrations are so striking that I actually became concerned that they’d overshadow the text, and convinced my editor—the wonderful Emma Ledbetter—to switch to a more dramatic font, and make use of drop-down letters to highlight the first word on some pages.
I was initially surprised by some elements of the artwork that diverged from what I’d expected. The snake is WAY bigger than I’d anticipated, and I think that was a brilliant choice. The mother’s face, body, and attire are quite masculine-looking, which bothered me at first, but I think this allows the parents to be presented as a single unit, which fits the story. (Not to mention that the mother, as I wrote her, is utterly devoid of maternal concern!) I expected Mr. and Mrs. Snodgrass, the neighbors, to look British, but they are decidedly Russian in appearance. Finally, Duckworth looks more peculiar than I’d envisioned him, but I’ve grown to like that. Initially, he looked far too old, but Emma and I convinced Júlia to make him younger.
So there were some changes and edits to the art. What about to your original manuscript? Did anything turn out differently than the version you submitted?
Initially, the boy’s name was Bowlby. I wanted an odd name, to parallel Treehorn, and I think I unconsciously selected Bowlby because of the famous British psychologist, John Bowlby, who did pioneering work on maternal deprivation. But Emma wasn’t wild about the name, so I made a list of unusual monikers, and the two I liked the best were Duckworth and Digby. My son, Ollie, preferred Duckworth, which Emma liked as well, so I used Digby for the name of Duckworth’s cousin.
Ha, Bowlby is a funny name, but I do like Duckworth far better!
In giving a workshop on humor recently, I talked about “superiority humor” and how feeling superior to someone else is a cause of laughs.
In DUCKWORTH, the child feels superior to the parents, and I think your reader will also feel superior to the Mr. & Mrs. Was that a deliberate decision to make the adults in the book so hapless?
Superiority theory states that we laugh at the misfortunes and shortcomings of others because it makes us feel better about ourselves. And indeed, a portion of the story’s humor stems from seeing the pompous stupidity and ineptitude of Duckworth’s parents. The vast majority of parents who read the book to their kids will be able to pat themselves on the back, thinking I may have my faults, but I’m a far better parent than these hapless twits.
But I think that Incongruity theory, the notion that humor derives from the enjoyment of a perceived or imagined incongruity, is a better fit here. The discrepancy between Duckworth’s desperate plight and his parents’ haughty indifference and self-preoccupation, is amusing.
Surrealist or absurdist humor is also at play, in that the story presents a ridiculous situation that is impossible to take seriously, and the obliviousness of Duckworth’s parents is exaggerated to the point of absurdity.
Well, I think you use all those forms of humor brilliantly.
I’ll close our interview with how I typically begin…
You know I host Storystorm to inspire writers. So what inspired DUCKWORTH?
Well, I was suffering from writer’s block at the time, so I resorted to my patented Whack-a-Plot™ titanium mallet, which I invented for your 2010 PiBoIdMo (forerunner to Storystorm). Within seconds of regaining consciousness, the story came to me in a flash.
Seriously, folks, the story was inspired by a visual image, which is unusual for me since I have aphantasia, a condition where one does not possess a functioning mind’s eye and cannot voluntarily visualize imagery. (I’m not making this up.)
One summer evening, while taking a stroll, an image passed through my mind of a snake that had swallowed a child. As I imagined the bulge working its way down the length of the serpent, it struck me as a compelling (if somewhat macabre) basis for a picture book. I recalled a similar image from The Little Prince, but when I returned home, I discovered that the prince’s drawing was of a boa digesting an elephant. (Although, as the prince notes, grown-ups all thought it was a picture of a hat.)
I worried that my concept might be too scary for young children, unless I made it a funny story, so I decided to model the tale on THE SHRINKING OF TREEHORN.
Michael, I think you’ve created a new classic! Thank you for chatting with me about DUCKWORTH!
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Two random winners will be selected in mid-August.
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Abandoned by a cackle of laughing hyenas, Michael Sussman endured the drudgery and hardships of a Moldavian orphanage until fleeing with a traveling circus at the age of twelve. A promising career as a trapeze artist was cut short by a concussion that rendered him lame and mute. Sussman wandered the world, getting by on such odd jobs as pet-food tester, cheese sculptor, human scarecrow, and professional mourner while teaching himself the art of fiction. He now lives in Tahiti with Gauguin, an African Grey parrot. Visit him at MichaelSussmanBooks.com.
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July 25, 2019 at 7:45 am
Joan Swanson
I like that you touch on delicate subjects with humor. It takes a special writer to do it right, thank you!
July 25, 2019 at 7:58 am
Dee Knabb
What an intriguing book, Michael. I love hearing how you got the idea, settled on a name for the child, and make the story so delicious. Thanks for sharing, Tara and Michael.
July 25, 2019 at 8:00 am
Suzanne Lewis
This type of picture book is right up my dark humor alley! Thanks for a great interview, Tara!
July 25, 2019 at 8:03 am
Jody Jensen Shaffer
I agree; Michael is fabulous! I also love OTTO. Can’t wait to read DUCKWORTH!
July 25, 2019 at 8:04 am
PJ McIlvaine
Excellent!!!!!
July 25, 2019 at 8:33 am
Carrie Finison 🍩🍩🍩 (@CarrieFinison)
This looks fantastic – can’t wait to see it!
July 25, 2019 at 8:39 am
C.L. Murphy
Oh my! I definitely need to check out Michael’s very unique and deliciously dark style.
July 25, 2019 at 8:39 am
rbkrackeler
Gonna go grab Otto to read first! I remember so vividly watching our classroom boa eat a rat when I was young.
July 25, 2019 at 8:46 am
marlainawrites
I love dark humor, and this looks especially Gorey-esque. Excellent post!
July 25, 2019 at 8:59 am
Judy Bryan
Otto and Duckworth are delightfully dark and funny! Great post, Tara, and congratulations, Michael!!
July 25, 2019 at 9:19 am
danielledufayet
Quite enticing! Thanks for sharing. 🙂
July 25, 2019 at 9:21 am
Carole Calladine
What a mind. What a story. Can’t wait to read Duckworth. Thanks for making my day start with the wonderful absurd
July 25, 2019 at 9:22 am
Katie Frawley
I can’t WAIT to read this book. I love dark humor in picture books! Loved this interview!
July 25, 2019 at 9:27 am
wordwizardw
Michael will have another lovely thank-you email to write for this excellent interview. Everyone else thanks you, too! When will there be a giveaway for the Whack-A-Plot™ titanium mallet and the Idea-Catcher™?
Would anyone join me in plumping for a light-brown paper version of DUCKWORTH where his skin-tone could extend his identifiability for minority readers? (Júlia Sardà made the characters’ skin-tone the shade of the blindingly-white paper without any coloration.)
July 25, 2019 at 9:27 am
Linda Mitchell
I love books like this! And, I love sharing them with my middle school students…humor is something kids BEG for and is not always easy to find. Thank you for writing Duckworth!
July 25, 2019 at 10:04 am
Marlene Farrell
Excellent interview. Great food for thought about humor in PB.
July 25, 2019 at 10:07 am
Lydia Lukidis
Congrats Micheal!! So happy to see your PB out in the world…
July 25, 2019 at 10:10 am
michaelsussman310115541
Thanks, Tara! You are the greatest interviewer on the blogosphere!
July 25, 2019 at 10:21 am
Cheryl Johnson
I like the idea of dark humor and will have to check out Duckworth!
July 25, 2019 at 11:15 am
Lisa Riddiough
You had me at Duckworth! Perfectly perfect name. I look forward to reading this masterpiece!!
July 25, 2019 at 11:15 am
Claire Bobrow
I would like to be swallowed whole by this book! It sounds simply wonderful – can’t wait to read it!
July 25, 2019 at 11:55 am
rindabeach
A story where the child/reader feels superior to the parents is sure to be ‘duckworthy!’
July 25, 2019 at 11:58 am
Hope Lim
This sounds fantastic! Can’t wait to read it!
July 25, 2019 at 12:09 pm
Mary Warth
Thanks for the great interview. This sounds deliciously dark!
July 25, 2019 at 1:01 pm
Cassandra
OH. MY. GOSH! I must add this gorgeous book to my dark humor collection! I’m so impressed the author became a writer despite having aphantasia. What an inspiration!
July 25, 2019 at 1:12 pm
Jennifer Ali
I love macabre humor in picture books–another good Heide title is Dillweed’s Revenge!
July 25, 2019 at 1:27 pm
Kim Larson
Fun interview, Tara and Michael. Thanks for sharing, Michael. And Congrats! Your books sound wonderful!
July 25, 2019 at 1:34 pm
kathydoherty1
This is my kind of humor. What a fun book!
July 25, 2019 at 2:03 pm
kirstenpendreigh
All the kids I know relish dark humour and will love this book! Congratulations Michael, it’s so funny and beautiful. I’ll leave it to you to invent a word generator for this specific genre. Funny-tiful? Maybe Spinky’s brother can help. You reminded me of his hilarious line apology…that Spinky is “posilutely” right…Philadelphia is the capital of Belgium.” 🙂
July 25, 2019 at 2:56 pm
Tracy Abell
Ooh, a book that’ll make me feel better about my parenting mistakes! Yes, please. 🙂
July 25, 2019 at 2:56 pm
Arlene Schenker
I can’t wait to read Duckworth since I love Otto grows down. Thanks for the interview, Michael and Tara.
July 25, 2019 at 2:58 pm
Arlene Schenker
Thanks for sharing your dark humor secrets, Michael. Thanks for a great interview, Tara. Can’t wait to read Duckworth.
July 25, 2019 at 4:11 pm
Genevieve Petrillo
This sounds hilarious. Super-silly fun to see some of the thought process behind it. I like the name Duckworth because sometimes I scare the ducks at the park. Plus sometimes they leave me candies in the grass.
Love and licks,
Cupcake
July 25, 2019 at 4:12 pm
LeeAnn Rizzuti
I know two young boys who will love the dark humor in this one. That is, if they can pry it from their grandma’s grasp. Or perhaps bribe her to read it to them.
July 25, 2019 at 4:49 pm
Sheri Radovich
Interesting story and his bio is original, too. I had neighbors named Duckworth but they were nothing like these parents. This has given me new ideas for my bio when I finally have to write one.
July 25, 2019 at 5:00 pm
Gabi Snyder
Fantastic interview, Tara and Michael. I’m a fan of dark humor and can’t wait to get my hands on this one.
July 25, 2019 at 5:13 pm
gael
My daughter and I love the Treehorn Trilogy. Another one of our favorites from when she was about 5 is Dillweed’s Revenge A Deadly Dose of Magic, also by Florence Parry Heide and exquisitely illustrated by Carson Ellis. Her latest favorite is The Book of Extraordinary Deaths by Cecilia Ruiz. She even chose to write about it for her 2nd grade class assignment (wonder what her teacher thought). She is a happy and bright child, but loves dark humor. These sorts of books are hard to come by so we get extra excited when one is published! Thank you, Tara and Michael, we look forward to reading these!
July 25, 2019 at 7:15 pm
Lindsey Brooks
A Gorey for today’s kids. I’m already in love…
July 25, 2019 at 7:28 pm
writersideup
Michael, this is such a cool premise 😀 And I’d never heard of aphantasia OR The Treehorn Trilogy (which I just ordered through the library 😀 ). Can’t wait to read it! And, ironically, just before reading this post, I read this great thread on Facebook about art notes. To me, what you’re describing here is a perfect example of when notes should and shouldn’t be included! https://www.facebook.com/julie.hedlund/posts/10217723844400707
July 25, 2019 at 9:26 pm
Cinzia V.
Can’t wait to read your books! Thanks for the fun and inspiration
July 26, 2019 at 8:22 am
laurensoloy
I loved everything about this interview! And I’m looking forward to getting my hands on this book!
July 26, 2019 at 10:20 am
Rita Russell
I’d never heard of The Treehorn Trilogy, so thanks for the introduction. I’m looking forward to reading it along with the Otto and Duckworth books.
July 26, 2019 at 10:38 am
jcestes
Great interview! Congratulations, Michael! Duckworth looks amazing!
July 26, 2019 at 10:47 am
darcee freier
Congrats! I can’t wait to read Duckworth, and I requested OTTO from the library. I think we need more humor in children’s lit. Good work!
July 26, 2019 at 10:59 am
kcareywrites
Excited to read this one! Like Lemony Snicket in picture book form!
July 26, 2019 at 11:30 am
nicolesalterbraun
Love the retro look of the book! Sounds like a fun read too! And Whack a Plot? Hilarious
July 26, 2019 at 12:41 pm
Patricia Tilton
What an entertaining books!
July 26, 2019 at 5:43 pm
Mary York
Oh, so clever! I also LOVED THE SHRINKING OF TREEHORN!
July 26, 2019 at 6:27 pm
Gloria Amescua
I love how your inspiration turned into this book!
July 26, 2019 at 7:45 pm
Erik Ammon
Duckworth sounds sooo good! I can’t wait to read it!
July 26, 2019 at 8:15 pm
Emily Wayne (@heyemilywayne)
This looks fantastic! I can’t wait to read it!! I love the dark humor of Gorey as well and this looks like a great homage to him. And of course I adore Julia Sarda’s work!!
July 26, 2019 at 8:42 pm
Lenora Biemans
Wow. This is fascinating. I love dark humor but I’ve always been to skittish to try it in manuscripts. Hmmm…interesting…
July 27, 2019 at 12:46 am
triciacandy
I can’t wait to check out this book!
July 27, 2019 at 3:11 am
Linda
The illustrations are incredible and make this picture book like an art book.
July 27, 2019 at 7:27 am
Angela De Groot
I love dark humor – can’t wait to read this one and Otto too.
July 27, 2019 at 12:58 pm
rachel critchley
Very interesting. Enjoyed the information.
July 27, 2019 at 1:11 pm
Lori Alexander
Can’t wait to read this one. Huge fan of OTTO GROWS DOWN! Congrats, Michael.
July 27, 2019 at 9:07 pm
seschipper
This sounds so uniique! Greatpost!! 🙂
July 28, 2019 at 2:03 pm
Angie
This sounds like a fantastic book! Love the illustrations and the story. Exciting! Congratulations!
July 28, 2019 at 5:35 pm
Kellie
I am particularly drawn to dark humour – I love how it addresses issues we wouldn’t otherwise address in picture books. Duckworth the Difficult Child sounds absolutely fantastic and I can’t wait to read it.
July 29, 2019 at 7:44 am
Amber Webb
Duckworrh seems like a book with humor that is still not very present in children’s books and I’m excited to see it!
July 29, 2019 at 11:30 am
Kay
I am so interested in reading your book. I did professional counseling work with children early in my career. Self absorbed parents are very difficult for a child to deal with. I am excited to see Duckworth’s journey.
July 30, 2019 at 1:56 pm
Aimee Satterlee
I am still anxiously awaiting my library request of Duckworth. It is pure agony.
OTTO is such an exceptional concept and story. I’ve enjoyed dissecting every sentence and laughing out loud. Ready for Duckworth’s dark humor and retro illustrations to come into my life!
July 30, 2019 at 6:25 pm
Carol Gordon Ekster
You have the best #kidlit interviews, Tara. And Michael, wishing you much success with this interesting title.
July 31, 2019 at 8:08 am
Rebecca Gardyn Levington
This book sounds amazing! LOVE me some dark humor! Thanks for sharing and congrats!
July 31, 2019 at 10:46 am
Sylvia Grech
Congrats on the book!
July 31, 2019 at 10:47 am
Sylvia M. Grech
Congrats on the book!
July 31, 2019 at 6:04 pm
Susan Uhlig
Thanks for sharing!
August 1, 2019 at 12:44 am
Kaylynn Johnsen
Disappearing is a fear common to kids, congratulations on handling the subject so we’ll.
August 14, 2019 at 10:47 am
Natasha Wing
Love the vibe of the story and illustrations.
September 3, 2019 at 5:07 pm
Kassy Keppol
congrats!